By The Rev. James Medley, Associate Priest
Eastern Shore Chapel, Virginia Beach
Eastern Shore Chapel, Virginia Beach
The disputed question is an
ancient practice of the medieval Church where groups of students bring forth
opposing arguments about theological questions (normally questions not having
to do with core doctrine) and debate their contrasting points. The
master (professor) resolved the dispute by making a doctrinal decision as to
which argument was correct.
The disputation is also used today
in most, if not all, Episcopal seminaries.
I remember participating in the discipline at the Seminary of the
Southwest under our theology professor, Anthony Baker. Tony
would give us a question like, “Does scripture contain everything necessary for
salvation?” or “Does God suffer?” and then divide a group of us into two
teams. One team had to defend the yes point
and one defend the no point. After each team made brilliant arguments
(drawing on scripture, early theologians, and reason) Tony would tell us who
made the better argument and then which answer, yes or no, was correct from the
standpoint of the orthodox faith of the Church.
Tony had only one hard and fast
rule for our disputations: a participant could never argue from the position of
unsupported belief. For example, we couldn’t say, “The answer is
this because that’s just what I believe.”
You had to argue from the
evidence of your sources. Sometimes that evidence was inconclusive,
especially if the question being disputed concerned issues that weren’t
considered matters of core doctrine by the Church. On
those types of questions, we sometimes had to agree to disagree, even to the
point of disagreeing with our professor.
We need to treat this disputed
question as a disputed question. We shouldn’t stop discussing it and we should
come to our own belief about it from the resources we have at hand. However, since it doesn’t pertain to core
doctrine, we need to agree to disagree when we don’t hold the same
beliefs.
Question: Do you see the blessing
of same-sex unions as being more a matter of core doctrine or more like a
disputed question?

Carrollyn Cox
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I found myself leaving this question and turning to the discussion led by the Rev. Foisie on the question of the "sinfulness" of same gender relationships.
I read the posts carefully and thoughtfully, just as I read and sometimes comment on posts on Facebook regarding the same type of relationships.
I have no authority to back up my answer to the question presented, just the evidence of my own observations of 72 years. Avoidance of separation from God is a core doctrine of our faith. To bring the blessing of same-sex unions to the level of core doctrine, we have to determine the "sinfulness" of the union.
Christ taught us to love our neighbors as ourselves. Even when we remonstrate with our neighbor over activity which hurts others or the community, we are called to love.
If we love, we cannot decree that same-sex union and the blessing of such unions is contrary to our doctrine until we determine whether or not that particular relationship is in fact sinful.
And if we realize that each union is unique, with some being supportive and productive, while others are not, then the blessing of such relationships cannot be doctrine, but remains a disputed question.
Conor Alexander+
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I believe that what has made this debate so intense is that it does touch on core doctrines. Perhaps the blessing of same-gender unions is not a core doctrine per se, but the arguments for it have challenged core doctrines. I see this as yet another manifestation of the modernist/fundamentalist debate that has been going on for about the last one hundred years.
You have to be very careful about changing moral teachings so that you can also address other questions that arise. In addition, its important to look at the potential consequences of such a change to determine if we as a Church are willing to pay the price. This goes beyond alienating members and losing congregations - as regrettable as those instances have been.
Yes the Church throughout history has sought to define and redefine moral teachings. The first generation of Christians were faced with whether or not to require gentile converts to maintain the entire Law of Moses or to certain universal principles required to be a righteous gentile. They discerned the latter, instructing the gentile converts to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality (Acts 15:29). Personally I'm glad for this decision because it means I can wear polyester-cotton blend shirts and eat cheeseburgers.
The question then becomes, what constitutes sexual immorality, and how are we to avoid it? Does it encompass all of the sexual prohibitions outlined in the Law of Moses or something else? Are there some basic principles that will guide our decision making? Before anyone is quick to answer with the 1960's formula of, "If it doesn't hurt anybody it's okay," know that that is not a theological statement, nor is it true.
The restrictions on sexuality exist because it is such a potent force in our lives, and can be used for either selfish or holy purposes. Since our culture as a whole rejected the notion that sexual behavior was to be limited to the marriage bed, we have seen an increase in the selfishness of society - not the liberation that many advocates promised. This has led to all kinds of societal problems and injustices - not the least of which our economic collapse of 2008 which was due largely to the irresponsible and selfish lending and borrowing practices. It's funny to think how sexual behavior can be connected to economics, but when viewed from the perspective of selfish vs. selfless attitudes it makes perfect sense. If a person views their sexuality as for them alone and their own pleasure, that is a selfish attitude that can be applied to all other areas of life.
Before I take any position on blessing a same-gender union, I would like to see some well thought-out, theologically informed answers to these questions. What is the purpose of sexuality? How can it manifest itself as something holy? What is sexual immorality and how are we to avoid it? For people who do have genuine same-sex attraction, how do we address the issues of justice and community that legitimately arise? If anyone has come across answers to these questions I would be very interested in seeing them.
Peace,
Conor Alexander+
James Medley+
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Conor,
There is a good piece on the blog resources page: The Gay Debate: The Bible and homosexuality, Matthew Vines. It addresses the question in a well thought out, theologically faithful way. I think there are some holes in the argument presented, but it is thorough.
I don't agree with the 1960's maxim either (and I KNOW you weren't making a comment about my age, right? Just kidding)but my point in the post is that I don't think this is an issue worth committing the sin of schism over. Whether (after working through the theology) I agree with the blessing of same-gender unions or not, I intend to remain in the Church and hope, as the Church, we can find ways of living out our faith together, whatever our opinion on this matter and whether or not same-gender blessings take place.
Peace to you, brother,
James Medley+
Steve Gallotta:
Delete"The sin of schism"? The Anglican Church was founded via schism. Seems pretty cynical to then make it a sin.
James Medley
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Steve,
Not cynical, realistic. Yes, the CofE grew out of schism but that doesn't make it any less of a sin. God calls us to be in communion with each other and whenever we break that communion, we are committing a sin. And the sin falls upon both parties in a dispute. Schism is at its worst when two groups are both so convinced of their positions that they cannot allow for even the remotest possibility that the other could have a point and they possibly could be mistaken. When you get that entrenched, you have created an idol of your position and you sin by breaking away from those who were previously your sisters and brothers. And not only you, but your former brothers and sisters have sinned also. Schism is an equal opportunity sin and affects both those who are "right" and those who are "wrong".
I'm not saying that there is nothing that could make me break from TEC, make me commit the sin of schism, but this issue is not one of them. As I stated in my original post, I do not believe this issue to be a matter of core doctrine.
James Medley
Eastern Shore Chapel
Conor Alexander+
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This is an excellent piece - one that aught to put us professionals to shame. Its probably the most thorough treatment of the subject of homosexuality and Biblical teachings that I've seen. What it doesn't address, and this is not a reflection on Mr. Vine, is what actually is the definition of pornias (Greek), or as its commonly translated, sexual immorality as articulated in Acts 15:20. What I like about Mr. Vine's approach is that its evident that he still takes the Bible very seriously as a source of authority. The difficulty of a strictly modernist approach to the Bible, is that it leaves open a huge question. Namely, how can the Scriptures still speak to us? If passages are dismissed merely as archaic or irrelevant (and I'm not speaking of anyone in particular), the temptation is to view the Bible as something we can dissect rather than the Word of God that still has something to say to us about how we live our lives, relate to each other, and relate to God. (This is where I think we do run into a core doctrine, and is the underlying cause behind recent schisms.)
I do think the teaching against pornias does have something to say to us - both gay and straight. Other traditions struggle with this question as well. The Roman Catholic Church describes the purpose of sexuality as something that affects every aspects of a person's life, including the capacity for love and procreation, and the aptitude for forming bonds and communion with other people (Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 2332). The Chabad Tradition within Judaism describes sexuality as being first and foremost about respect for the family (http://noahide.org). What these teachings do is to provide an ideal that we can aspire to. When sexuality means more than simple pleasure, but involves the bonding, capacity for love, when it is God's will for the procreation of Children and their nurture and knowledge of the Lord - every conjugal acts means something very different. I can safely say that there are even many married straight persons who do not live up to this ideal - but as long as the teaching is there there is the potential for transformation, and to bring us one step closer to the Kingdom of God.
In all honesty, all of the rhetoric I've heard over the past ten years or so has made me afraid of losing this ideal. Not just about sexuality but that if we don't like a Biblical teaching we can explain it away or ignore it. In doing so the modernist make the same mistake as the fundamentalists in that the Word of God becomes a static thing, rather than a medium that God speaks to us through. That's why I raise these questions, as difficult as they might be. I do believe that if we engage the Word of God in the midst of these struggles we will probably learn something even greater than we had initially envisioned.
God's Peace,
Conor+
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ReplyDeleteJames,
ReplyDeleteIn answer to your basic question, I believe that the matter of homosexual practice within the Church is a not core theological doctrine, but it is a core moral doctrine. And since I believe that historic Christianity is based upon a combination of orthodoxy and orthopraxy, we should not treat moral issues lightly.
Of course, the larger question is the role accorded to scripture. Since the Bible is clear about the the sinfulness of homosxual practice, those who advocate so-called same-sex unions are really attacking the authority of scripture; and as the 39 Articles state, this is a core doctrine.
James Deviese Christ the King